When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
(Proverbs 8:24) KJV
The great deep is a feature of the internal structure of the earth, located in the mantle, which is why we are picking our way through this today in March. However, our featured passage speaks of a time when there were no depths. There was a time before the deep existed.
There’s a difference in usage between the English phrases the deep, (Genesis 1:2) and the depths (Proverbs 8:24) vs. the great deep (Genesis 7:11) which is contextual rather than based on nuance of translation. The phrase the deep is used to describe the body of water which was present in the beginning, when God said let there be light. The phrase the great deep, for instance, contextually is this water starting at the end of the 3rd day when it’s drained through the mantle into the great gulf as the earth was spread out over the waters.
“When there were no depths,” can only refer to Genesis 1:1, because the first mention of the deep, “tehom,” is Genesis 1:2. The Bible uses “tehom,” to refer to the body of water from which the universe was made.
Thought for the Day
If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people; If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
(Jeremiah 31:37) KJV
The interior of the earth is not seen. The hope of our generation is that hell is a myth. That would mean that there’s no judgement for sin and we can live immoral lives without fearing any consequences.
Unfortunately the very same data that SciPop uses as evidence that there’s no hell may be used as evidence for hell. That’s how evidence works: it’s evidence of whatever you choose to believe about it. This is known as Matty’s Razor.
We all have exactly the same evidence. Our choice of paradigm determines what we believe it’s evidence of.
– Matty’s Razor
IF God will cast off the seed of Israel,
If heaven above can be measured,
the foundations of the earth can be searched out beneath,
BUT God doesn’t cast off the seed of Israel,
heaven above can’t be measured,
the foundations of the earth can’t be searched out beneath,
God understandeth the way thereof, and he knoweth the place thereof. For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven; To make the weight for the winds; and he weigheth the waters by measure.
(Job 28:23-25) KJV
If you want to believe that earth is flat no one’s going to stop you. However nothing in the Bible, either in the meaning of words or in the context of passages, requires you to believe that earth is flat and has an edge.
Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; but the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth.
(Proverbs 17:24) KJV
The proverb above has a familiar ring to it. How about this for comparison?
All his life has he looked away… to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was… what he was doing.
– Master Yoda
This isn’t talking about the edge of a flat earth, it’s talking about someone who lets his or her mind wander off into… the Star Trek universe of SciPop.
And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
(Genesis 2:8-9) KJV
We have lots of questions and definitions today. I thought I’d share them.
IF God created a perfect world which got ruined by accident,
THEN why was the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden of Eden?
God didn’t create a perfect world.
WHY did God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden,
IF he knew that eating the fruit would ruin his creation?
Eating the fruit didn’t ruin God’s creation.
IF God’s perfect world wasn’t supposed to fall into corruption, Plan A,
THEN was Christ’s death on the cross Plan B?
God didn’t create a perfect world.
IF our soul is eternal,
WHY would we need a tree of life?
The tree of life is for healing the body, not the soul.
Abiogenesis is the creative will of God expressed as progressively more complex biological life over the course of the 6 days of creation.
– Abiogenesis, definition
Devolution is change in allele frequency in a population, combined with accumulated mutations and DNA replication errors, that causes genomic decay, sickness, and loss of variability over time. It includes both macro and micro evolution. It began at the fall of man in Genesis 3:16.
– Devolution, definition
Devolution is the process of genetic change over time by which the animals saved on Noah’s ark gave rise to the distribution of current biodiversity.
– Devolution, context
Evolution on the scale required in the SciPop paradigm requires death. There was no death before sin, therefore the evolutionary basis of the Phylogenetic Tree of Life is impossible.
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
(Genesis 2:5-6) KJV
On the 3rd day there was no rain upon the earth and there was not a man to till the ground. On the 6th day there was a man in the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it, logically there was also rain.
While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
(Proverbs 8:26) KJV
We have closed the loop on the idea that the topography of the dry land on the 3rd day was a mountain that filled the whole earth. The summit: Eden. We are also beginning to deduce earth’s original hydrological cycle.
The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.
( Proverbs 3:19 ) KJV
We deduced that the identity of God the Father can be resolved with the first elementary particle, the proton – H+. Then we looked for it in scripture and found it. If that doesn’t freak you out, what will?
Counsel in the heart of man is like deep water; but a man of understanding will draw it out.
Science describes the physical characteristics of water, but it doesn’t tell us what water really IS. God chose to use water to form a physical matrix in which souls (nascent minds) could be given life with free will.